Ok so the issue I agree with the WBC on is Kim Davis, a country clerk in Kentucky.
Alright so on the off chance you've been hiding under a rock, in the wake of the SCOTUS decision on gay marriage Kim Davis decided that her office (which is in charge of issuing the official recognition of your marriage...sorry true believers) just wouldnt marry ANYONE.
A decision which she somehow thought the Supreme Court would overturn it self on within months because it inconvenienced HER and her religious beliefs.
Now this is usually the part where people (especially those opposed to her) tend to see the wheels coming off the wagon so to speak.
But actually what Ms. Davis did made sense...or at least it should have.
In the Hobby Lobby decision, the SCOTUS did in fact decide it is legal for me to force you to get on your knees and suck on my religion no matter your personal desires.
So hell, if I can be forced to not get birth control because YOU dont like it, why shouldnt you be able to force me not to marry someone YOU disprove of?
Course the problem for Ms. Davis is that she forgot to read the fine print on the Hobby Lobby case, specifically the part where you have to have the special platinum level corporate citizenship, and not the baseline regular human citizenship before you have to right to force people to choke on your religion.
So being just a regular human citizen, Ms. Davis got denied and got sent to jail for failing to do her job.
Which for the record is as it should be. You see many defenders of Ms. Davis say that her religious beliefs should mean she should never be forced to do something she religiously disagrees with as part of her job (in this case marry gays)
Now oddly NONE of those people are rushing to the defense of Charee Stanley, a Muslim flight attendant who was fired because she refused to serve booze (as he religion prohibits it).
Presumably, they would be none to fast to jump to the defense of a Hindu Burger King employee who refused to serve hamburgers. Also Ms Davis' defenders of the female persuasion likely wouldn't be nearly as accepting when the Muslim working at the DMV refuses to renew their drivers license.
Yet, down the rabbit hole of "My religion says X so you can suck it and pay me to not do it" Ms. Davis and her supporters went.
Which brings us back to the beginning, so to speak, and the Westboro Baptist Church
Not to long after going to jail, I woke up to the headline that the basically vile and evil Westboro Baptist Church....best known for protesting the existence of homosexuals during military funerals....based on the idea that gay people are responsible for the death of all soldiers, was protesting the Kim Davis issue.
So I assumed clearly they were coming to her defense as expected......NOPE.
Instead the WBC was protesting AGAINST Davis, mostly through images like this
And in a even more awkward twist, leaving the offensive language out of it, historically speaking the WBC is correct.
So WAAAY the fuck back in the day, it used to be basically impossible to get a divorce, partly cause the bible says shit like this:
"For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man." (Romans 7:2,3)
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." (Matthew 19:9)
"But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."Again, you have heard that it was said to the ancients, 'You shall not swear falsely, but you shall keep your oaths to the Lord." (Matthew 5:32,33)
“Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. (Luke 16:18)
Which worked for a while, at least when marriage was more a business transaction then about love. But as soon as it became up to the bride and groom to fall in love and pick each other (instead of parents or the groom and the brides parents) well people tended to realize a lot of them married assholes. Which is presumably what happened with Kim Davis in all 3 of her divorces......
So suddenly the bible went from being the unbreakable word of God on this issue, and well in the word of everyone's favorite evil zombie pirate:
And hell, if we arnt going to listen to it about this issue, why the fuck should we about any other issue.....like say gay marriage, which as we all know, just kinda happened recently.
So ironically the Westboro knuckleheads have a point. AND if nothing else, you MUST credit them with some consistency, unlike Kim Davis supporters, the WBC is at least trying to follow all the parts of the bible....even the crazy ones. (in fact arguably it is because they follow some of the more crazy parts of the bible that people realize they are nuts)
Which is ironic, because according to Kim Davis it is her deeply held religious beliefs, based on the word of God as understood in the bible, that is her justification.
However, the longer this goes on its becoming apparent that neither Kim Davis, nor any of her supporters, like Presidential candidates Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz, actually care about the bible, assuming they have read it at all.
For example. 1 Corinthians 7:8,9 says this:
"But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion."
This would seem to be a pretty rousing endorsement of the idea that, we really should let people get married than risk what might happen should their passions continue to burn.....an idea Ms. Davis is clearly against......even if we cede, just for the sake of arguement, the idea that gays shouldnt marry. She was also denying straight marriages....so yea kinda going against the holy book she claims governs ALL her actions.
Oops.
Now by the way, what does that holy book say about those like Ms. Davis who wont marry people?
"But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth."
(1 Timothy 4:1-3)
Now of course that was written down a long time ago, so later times from that point of view would be considered NOW.
And its basically saying that people will eventually fall under the sway of those influenced by demons, who can be spotted by their willingness to deny marriages. (and again this still applies even if we agree to the idea of excluding gay marriages since she was also denying straight ones)
So to those who are proclaiming Ms. Daivs as a defender of the faith:
Per the holy book she is allegedly defending....shes following the doctrine of demons.....as are you by supporting her.
Well shit, that's awkward.....
By the way, this is not the only problem spot for Ms. Davis and the holy book shes chosen to champion. I already made mention of Ms. Davis' 3 divorces (and 4 marriages) and prohibition against that in the bible...but I actually left something out.
See all the prohibitions say those get divorces are committing adultery the next time around (or in Ms. Davis' case the next 3 times around) and adultery, as the 10 commandments suggest, is a sin.
Want to guess what the punishment is?
"If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10)
"If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel." (Deuteronomy 22:22)
it seems to me, that if Ms. Davis is serious....that she can only do as the bible commands, she needs to turn herself, and her 2nd (also 4th) and 3rd Husbands over to be executed.
And the bloodshed doesnt stop there. See while married to Husband 1, Ms. Davis began an affair with Husband 3...who got her knocked up right around the time she married Husband 2/4.
So her twin boys, one of whom now works for her, are the products of adultery. But of course, we would never blame the child for the method of there conception...isnt that what the christian right is always telling us?
Well it turns out...not so much.
"Then the Lord said to Moses, Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
“‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
"The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.
But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, she will then be free and conceive children.This is the law of jealousy: when a wife, being under the authority of her husband, goes astray and defiles herself, or when a spirit of jealousy comes over a man and he is jealous of his wife, he shall then make the woman stand before the Lord, and the priest shall apply all this law to her. Moreover, the man will be free from guilt, but that woman shall bear her guilt.’” (Numbers 5:11-31)
Alright everyone follow that? If not I will summarize. Basically when Kim Davis began the affair that got her knocked up, Husband #1 should have taken her to a priest, where, she basically would have been poisoned so as to cause a lose of the pregnancy (think of it as a biblical era abortion)....thereby killing her children
THEN presumably, she and husband #3 (and I assume #2/4 since its assumed she was sleeping with him as well at this point) should have received their executions for adultery....
Therefore, if we hold Ms. Davis to the belief system she herself claims is a higher law then ours, she should be returned to prison immediately, along with 2 of her 3 husbands, and her twin children, and they should all be executed at the first possible opportunity.
Now that may sound cruel, and it may sound inhumane. But I know its what Kim Davis would want.
And honestly, if we allow her religious beliefs to trump the only laws keeping her alive (those being the laws of the United States of America, which permit divorce, and prohibit death for adultery) I dont think we have a choice, we have to kill her....the bible said so, and the bible is supreme above all.
It seems I need to amend my original title and idea....the Westboro Baptist Church is only calling for Kim Davis to be forced to remarry husband #1 (by having her divorces declared illegal in the eyes of the law because of the bible). They are NOT calling her biblically demanded execution. So it seems even they are hypocrites who cant hold to the tenets of the faith they espouse.
Although, as it turns out, I agree with them on this too. I dont think Ms. Davis or any of her family should be killed. In fact I would suggest perhaps dropping this whole "lets follow the word of the bible (or any holy book) over rule of law thing" cause a near as I can tell, it just leads to a shit ton of corpses.
But should we decide to honor Kim Davis and her way of thinking, well I just hope the executions are quick and painless(which is growing less and less likely every day since are running out of the drugs needed to do that).
Well shit, that's awkward.....
By the way, this is not the only problem spot for Ms. Davis and the holy book shes chosen to champion. I already made mention of Ms. Davis' 3 divorces (and 4 marriages) and prohibition against that in the bible...but I actually left something out.
See all the prohibitions say those get divorces are committing adultery the next time around (or in Ms. Davis' case the next 3 times around) and adultery, as the 10 commandments suggest, is a sin.
Want to guess what the punishment is?
"If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10)
"If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel." (Deuteronomy 22:22)
it seems to me, that if Ms. Davis is serious....that she can only do as the bible commands, she needs to turn herself, and her 2nd (also 4th) and 3rd Husbands over to be executed.
And the bloodshed doesnt stop there. See while married to Husband 1, Ms. Davis began an affair with Husband 3...who got her knocked up right around the time she married Husband 2/4.
So her twin boys, one of whom now works for her, are the products of adultery. But of course, we would never blame the child for the method of there conception...isnt that what the christian right is always telling us?
Well it turns out...not so much.
"Then the Lord said to Moses, Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
“‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
"The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.
But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, she will then be free and conceive children.This is the law of jealousy: when a wife, being under the authority of her husband, goes astray and defiles herself, or when a spirit of jealousy comes over a man and he is jealous of his wife, he shall then make the woman stand before the Lord, and the priest shall apply all this law to her. Moreover, the man will be free from guilt, but that woman shall bear her guilt.’” (Numbers 5:11-31)
Alright everyone follow that? If not I will summarize. Basically when Kim Davis began the affair that got her knocked up, Husband #1 should have taken her to a priest, where, she basically would have been poisoned so as to cause a lose of the pregnancy (think of it as a biblical era abortion)....thereby killing her children
THEN presumably, she and husband #3 (and I assume #2/4 since its assumed she was sleeping with him as well at this point) should have received their executions for adultery....
Therefore, if we hold Ms. Davis to the belief system she herself claims is a higher law then ours, she should be returned to prison immediately, along with 2 of her 3 husbands, and her twin children, and they should all be executed at the first possible opportunity.
Now that may sound cruel, and it may sound inhumane. But I know its what Kim Davis would want.
And honestly, if we allow her religious beliefs to trump the only laws keeping her alive (those being the laws of the United States of America, which permit divorce, and prohibit death for adultery) I dont think we have a choice, we have to kill her....the bible said so, and the bible is supreme above all.
It seems I need to amend my original title and idea....the Westboro Baptist Church is only calling for Kim Davis to be forced to remarry husband #1 (by having her divorces declared illegal in the eyes of the law because of the bible). They are NOT calling her biblically demanded execution. So it seems even they are hypocrites who cant hold to the tenets of the faith they espouse.
Although, as it turns out, I agree with them on this too. I dont think Ms. Davis or any of her family should be killed. In fact I would suggest perhaps dropping this whole "lets follow the word of the bible (or any holy book) over rule of law thing" cause a near as I can tell, it just leads to a shit ton of corpses.
But should we decide to honor Kim Davis and her way of thinking, well I just hope the executions are quick and painless(which is growing less and less likely every day since are running out of the drugs needed to do that).
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