Thats right, its tearing the GOP apart.....which is ironic given that the 14th Amendment is basically as republican as any amendment ever, having been passed by the GOP back during the civil war, in what was basically a time of single party rule (both chambers of congress being 80% republican, with a republican president (sorta, A. Johnson) and all but 2 SCOTUS members being republican appointments)
And actually its more specific than that, its the first section thats doing all the damage:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
See how damning that is? No, alright let me explain.
So on social issues the GOP has two major fights they want to pick, immigration and abortion.
Ok so Scott Walker, Republican Presidential candidate, just weighted in on the idea of granting Birthright Citizenship, which is basically the idea that, if your born here, your automatically an american citizen.,..also known as the first sentence of the 14th amendment.
Walker was specfically asked if we should end the idea. And his answer was:
" [I]ts not right for this country, I think that’s something– yeah, absolutely, going forward,”
Now the reason for this is that removing birthright citizenship ALSO removes the idea of anchor babies/the children of illegal immigrants who are born here being american.
Now to be fair to Walker, the reason he was asked about this is because he stands FAR from alone,
In fact, just out of the GOP presidential field, Donald Trump, John Kasich, Rand Paul, Chris Christie and Lindsey Graham agree with him on this one.
So yea, a lot of Republicans see this as a quick fix to immigration biggest problem...separating families cause the underage kids are americans and the parents arnt.
Nice easy way to solve the problem right?
Stay turned.
Then on the otherside we have those like Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum, who believe the 14th amendment solves abortion.
So the argument here is pretty simple, the 14th amendment says you can not be denied the right to life without due process. And as life begins at conception, that applies to fetuses.
Now yes I did mock Huckabee for being a dumbass recently for claiming that protection already exists, but its worth noting some slightly more sane republicans are calling for extending the 14th amendment to include fetus, but admitting its currently not doing so,
Anyways, if the fetus is a life, and citizenship begins at life beginning/conception, abortion legally becomes murder and cant be allowed because it violates the fetuses right to life.
Seems simple enough right?
Well now we get to the fun part
Lets consider what would happen to one issue, if the other issue won on the 14th amendment.
For example, if the 14th amendment was repealed, it would become easier to deport people.
BUT it would also make abortion basically impossible to stop on any kind of moral grounds.
After-all, we would have just removed the ONLY thing in US law that suggests EVERYONE born in the country has rights. Basically if we decide a child (who under any definition is a "living human") doesnt necessarily have the rights of citizens, explicitly including a right not to be killed, how in the hell could you argue a microscopic mass of cells has any access to those same rights? In fact you would have just made it legal to totally dismiss any evidence that that mass of cells is a "living human" as irrelevant anyways.
So yea, this would "solve" immigration for Republicans.....and cost them abortion.
But maybe it works better the other way around right? not so much.
Ok so we extend the 14th amendment to Fetuses.
The good news for Republicans, abortion is pretty much illegal.
The bad news: anchor sex.
Ok so one of the main gripes against illegals by the by the GOP is the idea of "anchor babies". These being children born to illegals but in the united states, thereby making the children Americans (who can not be deported as they are in their country of origin) who shouldn't be separated from their parents.....thereby making the whole family less likely to be deported.
Now imagine that same situation....but instead of needing to sneak into the country and stay long enough for the child to be born (likely 6-9 months as it gets harder to illegally cross later in pregnancy due to health concerns) it takes 1 night.
Because as long the conception took place in the good ol' USA....that kids an American if we decry citizenship beings at conception.
Oh and here's the other thing, nothing illegal has to happen either for a foreign national to have an american baby.
Now say a Turkish couple (just picked country at random), are on vacation to say Disney World (one of the most visited places in the world and about 25% of their visitors are international so a very likely possibility). And of course these Turks likely have perfectly valid american tourist visas.
And then they fuck....and nine months later have a baby back in turkey. Well that baby is all american...cause he was conceived here. And nothing illegal happened. But we now have an underage american citizen entitled to visit his homeland....and of course he's gonna need adult supervision.
So welcome Momma and Poppa Turk....I guess your going to be here soon too.
So yea, expanding the 14th amendment will kill abortion.....and any chance in hell of "protecting" our borders, since there are going to be a fuck ton more foreign born Americans running around....all of whom by the way, will be capable of popping out little Americans of their own when they come of age.
But hey, on the bright side, it wont take all that long for the entire world to see this as their national anthem:
And actually its more specific than that, its the first section thats doing all the damage:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
See how damning that is? No, alright let me explain.
So on social issues the GOP has two major fights they want to pick, immigration and abortion.
Ok so Scott Walker, Republican Presidential candidate, just weighted in on the idea of granting Birthright Citizenship, which is basically the idea that, if your born here, your automatically an american citizen.,..also known as the first sentence of the 14th amendment.
Walker was specfically asked if we should end the idea. And his answer was:
" [I]ts not right for this country, I think that’s something– yeah, absolutely, going forward,”
Now the reason for this is that removing birthright citizenship ALSO removes the idea of anchor babies/the children of illegal immigrants who are born here being american.
Now to be fair to Walker, the reason he was asked about this is because he stands FAR from alone,
In fact, just out of the GOP presidential field, Donald Trump, John Kasich, Rand Paul, Chris Christie and Lindsey Graham agree with him on this one.
So yea, a lot of Republicans see this as a quick fix to immigration biggest problem...separating families cause the underage kids are americans and the parents arnt.
Nice easy way to solve the problem right?
Stay turned.
Then on the otherside we have those like Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum, who believe the 14th amendment solves abortion.
So the argument here is pretty simple, the 14th amendment says you can not be denied the right to life without due process. And as life begins at conception, that applies to fetuses.
Now yes I did mock Huckabee for being a dumbass recently for claiming that protection already exists, but its worth noting some slightly more sane republicans are calling for extending the 14th amendment to include fetus, but admitting its currently not doing so,
Anyways, if the fetus is a life, and citizenship begins at life beginning/conception, abortion legally becomes murder and cant be allowed because it violates the fetuses right to life.
Seems simple enough right?
Well now we get to the fun part
Lets consider what would happen to one issue, if the other issue won on the 14th amendment.
For example, if the 14th amendment was repealed, it would become easier to deport people.
BUT it would also make abortion basically impossible to stop on any kind of moral grounds.
After-all, we would have just removed the ONLY thing in US law that suggests EVERYONE born in the country has rights. Basically if we decide a child (who under any definition is a "living human") doesnt necessarily have the rights of citizens, explicitly including a right not to be killed, how in the hell could you argue a microscopic mass of cells has any access to those same rights? In fact you would have just made it legal to totally dismiss any evidence that that mass of cells is a "living human" as irrelevant anyways.
So yea, this would "solve" immigration for Republicans.....and cost them abortion.
But maybe it works better the other way around right? not so much.
Ok so we extend the 14th amendment to Fetuses.
The good news for Republicans, abortion is pretty much illegal.
The bad news: anchor sex.
Ok so one of the main gripes against illegals by the by the GOP is the idea of "anchor babies". These being children born to illegals but in the united states, thereby making the children Americans (who can not be deported as they are in their country of origin) who shouldn't be separated from their parents.....thereby making the whole family less likely to be deported.
Now imagine that same situation....but instead of needing to sneak into the country and stay long enough for the child to be born (likely 6-9 months as it gets harder to illegally cross later in pregnancy due to health concerns) it takes 1 night.
Because as long the conception took place in the good ol' USA....that kids an American if we decry citizenship beings at conception.
Oh and here's the other thing, nothing illegal has to happen either for a foreign national to have an american baby.
Now say a Turkish couple (just picked country at random), are on vacation to say Disney World (one of the most visited places in the world and about 25% of their visitors are international so a very likely possibility). And of course these Turks likely have perfectly valid american tourist visas.
And then they fuck....and nine months later have a baby back in turkey. Well that baby is all american...cause he was conceived here. And nothing illegal happened. But we now have an underage american citizen entitled to visit his homeland....and of course he's gonna need adult supervision.
So welcome Momma and Poppa Turk....I guess your going to be here soon too.
So yea, expanding the 14th amendment will kill abortion.....and any chance in hell of "protecting" our borders, since there are going to be a fuck ton more foreign born Americans running around....all of whom by the way, will be capable of popping out little Americans of their own when they come of age.
But hey, on the bright side, it wont take all that long for the entire world to see this as their national anthem:
So yea, there you have it. The most republican amendment in america...which needs to be expanded/eliminated to save America from its two major social issues....at least according to the party that came up with the amendment in the first place.....
No wonder these guys have such a hard time sounding reasonable.....their solutions are all contradictory.
No wonder these guys have such a hard time sounding reasonable.....their solutions are all contradictory.
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